I’m re-watching the S5 finale and I’ve thought up some more theories:
- Maybe Jacob and Esau (other guy) are the same. I don’t really like this theory but I might as well throw it out there.
- Esau is the (smoke) “monster”. He was also Ben’s daughter when she told him to follow Locke (obviously).
- Since Esau is the smoke monster what is Jacob’s power/ability? I think it’s time travel and the electro magnetism on the island. This gives him the ability summon ships and planes to the island.
- Jacob wants to prove Esau wrong (beginning of S5 finale), I think he wants to prove them wrong by showing them people can be selfless and have compassion–maybe something Esau doesn’t have. Esau did say they were destructive and conquering but Jacob talks about progress.
- Jacob recruited Elana and the new group to help him: going back to my last post I have a feeling one circumstance was to make sure Sayid came to the island. It makes sense he recruited help but never knew that Esau would use Locke’s form. That’s why Elana and the group never did anything about Locke when he was with them on the other island. Not until they found the body did they figure they had to do something.
- After re-watching the episode it’s obvious it was Locke in the box.
- It annoys me that Kate was always against the bomb but at the end she was fighting side by side. At least Juliet’s indecision was based on something.
- Locke never saw Jacob in the cabin, another obvious point, it was Esau mid plan to kill Jacob and manipulate Ben.
- Locke is and never was someone, in Richard’s words “there was nothing special about him”.
- Here’s a big one, why did Jacob not want Dan to go to the island? Remember he was picked up by the same group as Elana in the van. What did he do that Jacob wanted to prevent?
- Dharma ended up being an observation experiment for Jacob, maybe to prove something to Esau. That’s why they’re gated from the “monster”.
- Since Dharma is part of Jacob’s experiment I think the original Others are led by Esau more than Jacob. Even though Richard has that direct connection with Jacob. Maybe at some point Jacob just went into hiding while Esau took his place.
I still think the last season of the show will be about the real Jacob and the new events since the bomb. “New events” meaning: the bomb did change the course of the future/present.
Jared just made me think a little bit about who is influencing who for the last 5 seasons, he thinks Jacob has been in the game for a while now but I’m thinking everything up until the last 2 minutes of the finale (including the previous seasons) has been an elaborate scheme by Esua (who Locke is now) to kill Jacob. When I say everything I mean everything but the instances where you actually see Jacob influencing in the S5 finale.
I believe that Jacob was influencing the losties in the last episode in order to –reverse– the current timeline that they’re on, with one exception (get to that after). The only way for Jacob not to be killed at the end of S5 is for the losties to never arrive at the island. I’m basing this off of how Jacob influenced in the last episode and how the writers love to bring in a character’s past influences to explain their current decision.
- Sawyer: Jacob influenced him to continue his vengefulness by allowing him to continue to write to (the original Sawyer). Otherwise, “what’s done is done” could have influenced him enough to not change his mind and help Jack. This one is a stretch but the whole theory is.
- Jack and Kate: Not sure if there’s a direct influence but it’s the little things that could have helped them make their decisions about the bomb.
- Juliet: I don’t remember Jacob in Juliet’s but her flashback showed she needed to let go of Sawyer (literally)
- Hurley: pretty much single handedly pushed Hurley back to the island.
Hurley’s was the big one for me since I asked myself “why would Jacob want Hurley and these losties back”, obviously (IMO) to reverse the past to change the future.
Basically, I believe:
Esua made up the entire plan to kill Jacob around the time Ben arrived, he influenced Desmond to not push the button (I’m thinking Esua was Kelvin), the plane crashes, he then orchestrates the entire scheme behind Locke and Ben.
At the same time, Jacob sees Esua’s influence towards the end and creates some counter measures in order to change the present by correcting the past. I also, think at the same time he’s set a plan to kill Esua if he is killed, by gathering the “what lays in the shadow” group.
My theory about S6-Esua will be killed within the first episode by Richard or the new group.
update:
I’m thinking now that the reason Jacob wasn’t so direct in influencing some of the characters (Jack, Kate and Sawyer) was because at the time of his visit he didn’t know the entire endgame. That makes sense why he doesn’t just let Locke die. But when he visits Hurley he knows he needs them all to be in the past to detonate that bomb.
Also, notice how Jacob visited the people that he needed in the past? Further backing up my theory about him needing them in the past to change the “incident”. And that’s why Sun and Ben were left behind, which were part of Esau’s plan.
I am a big movie buff and I noticed that the storyline concerning Hurley and the fact that he see’s dead people sounds a lot like the plot from an old classic movie called Harvey. This movie starred Jimmy Stewart back in 1950 the plot was about a man who saw a 6 foot rabbit and he ended up being placed in a mental hospital by his family. His family ended up taking control of all his assets. I also found out that the six foot rabbit he sees was inspired by a mythological creature called the Puka. The Puka is a creature that appears to wayward travelers. In this movie it appears as a rabbit but in mythology it usually appears as a black horse. This movie to me seems to be the inspiration for Hurley’s character as well as the encounters Kate has with the black horse. Please let me know what you think of my theory?
Danielle Rousseau – I’m guessing we’re going to see her back story sometime this season, especially if she’s going to die after getting shot last time.
I suspect we’ll also see a Libby – Whidmore connection from the past at some point, probably this season. I think it’s likely that Whidmore was involved in her giving the boat to Desmond. If that’s the case, then it also raises a few interesting questions: was she on the flight to intentionally get onto the island, and (if so) how did she / Whidmore know that plane was going to crash – perhaps it was intentional, etc.
I think we’re going to get at least one surprising or interesting flashback (or forward) from a character that we haven’t seen one for before. I’d love to see one from Richard, although I don’t know if they’ll do that this season.
Other longshots that I don’t know whether they’re going to eventually bring back in to the story are Thomas (Claire’s ex-boyfriend / Aaron’s dad), and Hurley’s friend from the institution that kept repeating the numbers over and over again. Neither of them will have a dedicated flashback (unless they become major characters), but it would be cool to see their backstories overlap with the island in some way at some point in the past.
I just heard on a caller on the recording of the Jay & Jack 24 hour podcast state a very interesting observation that I hadn’t thought of before, but I think it has to play into things somehow.
So far, every single one of the Oceanic Six that we’ve seen (apart from Aaron, if he is really included as one of the six) was on the other side of the island when Desmond turned the failsafe key.
Jack, Kate, and Hurley (and Michael, even though he might not be considered one of the six) were off on their mission to get captured. Sayid and Sun (and Jin, but it doesn’t sound like he makes it) were on the boat, also on the other side of the island.
As far as I can tell, the only other person we’ve seen off island in the future is Ben. This means that every person (other than Aaron) that we’ve seen off island was also on the other side of the island at the time of the failsafe being triggered. It seems like that can’t possibly be a coincidence.
So I have a theory that at first glance, when I spit it out during the episode last week, sounded absurd. But the more I think about it the more it seems not only plausible but probable. And if it is I’ll be stoked to have made even one correct prediction, just like Jason and Dan with this sites name. But again be warned if you don’t wanna know about this weeks trailer like Dan or if you wanna be surprised next week, then you might wanna skip this, but I think you should read it. If you don’t, come back and read it after this weeks episode.
So to my theory, in the trailer at the end of last week they talk about this upcoming episode saying that there will be things such as betrayal deceit and “lies”. “Lies” being the only word I’m sure of, but right after the narrator says “lies” it changes shots to a piece of paper for 1/4 of a second that says “DONT TRUST THE CAPTAIN”. Leading me to think that they are telling us that the piece of paper is a lie. Also, in last weeks episode Locke says to Ben that he wants to know who his “guy” on the ship is. The fact that they have kept the Captain hidden for so long leads me to believe that Ben’s “guy” IS the Captain. Before I say who I think the Captain is, the reason I think who I think it is, is in the trailer for this week the narrator also says we’ll see someone we never thought we’d see again. Also last week Minkosky(?) said “looks like you guys have a friend on the ship” or something like that. So now to who I think it is… Michael!!! I think that Ben made a deal with/or manipulated Michael into working for him before he let him and Walt leave, the way that we have seen Sayid do for Ben in the flashforwards. I think Michael went and got the job as ships captain for Whitmore’s ship under the instruction of Ben. Also, Michael may or may not be one of the Oceanic Six. Which then gives new thought to the theory on who (Michael?) is in the casket and why no one showed up to the NON-viewing/memorial, other than Jack.
So what do you guys think?
Ben mentions Jack’s decision costing the lives of 40 people, but I don’t think he’s talking about Jack’s group.
I believe he’s talking about the inhabitants of the island that have been there for a long time – the “others” like Richard, etc. Since I believe that the island’s healing factor is what keeps them from aging (because it’s constantly healing them as their bodies break down during the normal aging process), some of the “others” who have been there for a long time could easily be very, very old.
If they are forced to leave the island, they might die immediately once they get out of “range” of its ability to heal them. This could even apply to some of the Losties as well, especially ones like Rose who we know had a terminal disease before coming to the island.
In any event, I suspect that the boat people will coax some of the people willing to be “rescued” (Jack and his group) into leaving just by telling them that they’re rescuing them. They may possibly even manipulate them into helping them battle the “others” and subdue Locke, on the pretext that they need to do that in order to get free of the island.
My bet is that during this battle, Jack knocks Locke out and they eventually triumph over the “others”, and leave the island thinking that they were victorious. Then, once they are clear of the island and will not be able to find it again, it becomes clear to Jack that it was a mistake. Either people start dying outside of the island’s protection and/or Locke wakes up and clues Jack in to what’s happening, and/or he finds out how Whidmore is going to abuse the power of the island.
One the left you’ll see that there are three deceased listings the second has a 4 letter first name and a 5 letter last name.
J-O-H-N  L-O-C-K-E
Maybe…I’m willing to bet that it’s Locke in that casket since it goes with my plot theory but I’m positive that the paper although cleverly has the correct number of letters does not have the printed name. Since if that secret where to get out by the actors or the production crew it would blow the mystery.
I don’t necessarily think we can assume that Walt’s appearance means that he’s there on the island again as a real, physical person. So far he’s no different than any of the other appearances of people on the island who may or may not be real and/or dead.
Heck, with Walt we even have precedence for him appearing when he wasn’t really there, and you also have precedent with Locke seeing and interacting verbally with people who have formerly moved on (such as Boone).
Might well be that the series will end with quoting the opening few lines of TS Eliot’s Four Quartets:
Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.
What might have been is an abstraction
Remaining a perpetual possibility
Only in a world of speculation.
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.
Clearly the losties are lost not only in space, but also in time. The island is somehow interwoven with time, such that past, present, future are indistinct, circular, recurrent…and certainly not representative of the ordinary works’s linear time experience and progression.
Other connections with the Four Quartets:
Desmond’s Premonitions
Babies dying: (“in our beginning is our end”)
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