Jared just made me think a little bit about who is influencing who for the last 5 seasons, he thinks Jacob has been in the game for a while now but I’m thinking everything up until the last 2 minutes of the finale (including the previous seasons) has been an elaborate scheme by Esua (who Locke is now) to kill Jacob. When I say everything I mean everything but the instances where you actually see Jacob influencing in the S5 finale.
I believe that Jacob was influencing the losties in the last episode in order to –reverse– the current timeline that they’re on, with one exception (get to that after). The only way for Jacob not to be killed at the end of S5 is for the losties to never arrive at the island. I’m basing this off of how Jacob influenced in the last episode and how the writers love to bring in a character’s past influences to explain their current decision.
- Sawyer: Jacob influenced him to continue his vengefulness by allowing him to continue to write to (the original Sawyer). Otherwise, “what’s done is done” could have influenced him enough to not change his mind and help Jack. This one is a stretch but the whole theory is.
- Jack and Kate: Not sure if there’s a direct influence but it’s the little things that could have helped them make their decisions about the bomb.
- Juliet: I don’t remember Jacob in Juliet’s but her flashback showed she needed to let go of Sawyer (literally)
- Hurley: pretty much single handedly pushed Hurley back to the island.
Hurley’s was the big one for me since I asked myself “why would Jacob want Hurley and these losties back”, obviously (IMO) to reverse the past to change the future.
Basically, I believe:
Esua made up the entire plan to kill Jacob around the time Ben arrived, he influenced Desmond to not push the button (I’m thinking Esua was Kelvin), the plane crashes, he then orchestrates the entire scheme behind Locke and Ben.
At the same time, Jacob sees Esua’s influence towards the end and creates some counter measures in order to change the present by correcting the past. I also, think at the same time he’s set a plan to kill Esua if he is killed, by gathering the “what lays in the shadow” group.
My theory about S6-Esua will be killed within the first episode by Richard or the new group.
update:
I’m thinking now that the reason Jacob wasn’t so direct in influencing some of the characters (Jack, Kate and Sawyer) was because at the time of his visit he didn’t know the entire endgame. That makes sense why he doesn’t just let Locke die. But when he visits Hurley he knows he needs them all to be in the past to detonate that bomb.
Also, notice how Jacob visited the people that he needed in the past? Further backing up my theory about him needing them in the past to change the “incident”. And that’s why Sun and Ben were left behind, which were part of Esau’s plan.
I am still too numb to think from what happened last night. But these are really some very interesting observations. But this still doesn’t explain what he meant when he said, “They are coming”. Have to go back and watch it again keeping these points in my mind.
Jagadish:
That’s why I said “I also, think at the same time he’s set a plan to kill Esua if he is killed, by gathering the “what lays in the shadow” group.”
and
“My theory about S6-Esua will be killed within the first episode by Richard or the new group.”
My belief is: Jacob knew Esau’s plan at the end and gathered the new group to show Locke is not who he says he is. I’m thinking that Richard, out of his love (
) towards his master, he’s going to kill Locke/Esua.
Basically, “They” is the group outside.
Otherwise, “They” could very well be the main losties from the past coming to the the present.
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If by “they” he means the group outside, it will be really disappointing especially since those are his last words. I am hoping it had some larger implications.
Does this mean that Locke is dead for good? I have a feeling that he has a larger role in the whole set up.
I doubt Esau will be killed so soon. I mean, it would be anti-climatic if he gets killed immediately after killing Jacob.
I wouldn’t be too disappointed if Locke was dead, although even if that were true (relative to that point in time) I’m sure we’d still see him in flashbacks, etc.
Ever since the second season, Locke has been a total dupe, and only recently (seemingly) turned around again, so the apparent reveal at the end of the finale would seem to bump him back to that status again.
I also doubt that Jacob’s opponent will die, at least not in the first episode. If I’m percieving the character differences between them (Jacob and his opponent) correctly, I don’t think there’s any reason to think that Jacob would even want him to be killed.
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This is a nice story I wouldn’t be too disappointed if Locke was dead, although even if that were true I’m sure we’d still see him in flashbacks, etc.Locke is dead for good? i just want to know what is next??