We are lead to believe we glimpsed Jack and Kate’s future, however, we may have seen the past.
Jack’s dad appears to be alive ” I tell you what, go up to my father’s office, and if I’m drunker than him then fire me”
Jack is desperate to return to the island but Kate doesn’t want to return. Jack confides in Kate he keeps flying in the hope his plane will crash. When Kate is arrested and forced onto a plane we see Jack (bringing his fathers body home) desperate to get on that plane. he says ” you don’t understand I have to get on that plane!”
Kate robbed a bank in her past to get hold of a toy plane. Was her ex lover on the island in the past?
Did Kate learn her tracking skills from an earlier visit to the island? Did a previous visit give her the skills and courage to kill her step father?
Jack was angry with Kate when he found out she was a felon! If they had no history why was he concerned and angry?
Kate looked well groomed and happy when she met with Jack at the end of the episode. The last time we saw Kate like that was when she was married to the policeman before her arrest. Is her husband the ‘he’ she refers to?
All the losties have issues with their parent. Is this the link that brought them to the island?
You have something there. I was re-watching the first season and in “tabula rasa,” Jack and Kate talk about starting on a clean slate on the island. At first, I thought they meant it figuratively, but now I realize he may have meant it literally. They went back to the island to possibly change the outcome.
I vote no on that one - it would be too cheesy.
I reckon we are looking at the past and not the future. There is nothing that seems to disprove this theory. I certainly dont think its cheesy!. Flash Backs to the island..?come on I am sure the producers would do better than that.
I’m pretty sure the producers have confirmed that it was a flash forward, but even if they hadn’t, it wouldn’t make sense.
The main problem would be that it would be inconsistent with how the story has played out so far in the first three seasons. If what we’ve seen so far in the show is their second trip to the island then they must have gotten brain damaged on that crash and forgot the whole thing, because they sure didn’t act like they knew about the island or anything on it that whole time.
To turn that around and say they were either just pretending not to know about it is what would be extremely cheesy. Even to say that they lost their memories about their previous experiences would be cheesy, in my book.
i believe that we were seeing another of desmond’s flash forwards. now that charlie’s out of the picture, and after the note he flashed to desmond, could he contact the group, warning them that it’s not penny’s boat?
des- “ye not gonna be happy brotha… there’s nothin’ i can do about it!”
jack- “i’m a homo.”
or somthing like that.
what if he mentioned that his father was alive and involved with this? or that the terminally ill would soon retire? would that stop jack from leaving?
that would be quite the red herring. wasn’t the statue in one finale, and the arctic sound station in another? we haven’t heard anything about the statue, and if this isn’t penny, why isn’t it another BS cliffhanger that they’ll call a flashback, keeping them on the island (and in hawaii) and out of L.A.?
to think it is a flashback is kind of silly since when they met they didn’t know anything about each other and went through the motions of getting to know each other.
if it were a Desmond flashforward then they would have made SOME kind of signal or reference to that fact.
I think the most important aspect that was never shown is who was in the coffin? (don’t assume anything about it)
Jack being drunk can cause him to spout off irrational things like the comment about his father. If you also notice others around him saw he was drunk and looked at him like he was being absurd.
In the special right before the season finale there was something about the producers wanting to in the end show not only where they came from but where they would end up (or something like that)
also Jack looked a bit older and worn out compared to all his other flashbacks.
Look at the show for all three seasons. It’s rather consistent in HOW it shows what it shows. The flashbacks are still flashbacks but also contain flashforwards. The island is always the center of the action and exist in the here and now (relatively speaking considering that here and now is the last 3 months so far of 2004).
Everything has a reason - it always has. Just because you can’t figure it out or it is not clear yet does not mean it is pointless or BS or what have you.
I am up in the air with this one…I could go both ways with it. I initially thought it was a flashback until I saw Kate at the end. If Jack and Kate already knew each other then that would make seasons 1-3 terribly scripted when you think about all the private conversations those two had together on the island. However, a flash-forward would make the next three seasons to come retarded because we know for a fact now that they get off the island. Were will they go with it now if we already know this? Who do we think was in the coffin anyway, I’m thinking either Juliet, or Ben or Locke… One of those three. To be honest, I could give a shit what that last episode meant, I’m addicted to LOST and can’t quit it. When does Season 4 begin?
Well my head is all over the place on this one! .. i can belive how it ended! .. and i really hope charlie isnt dead!! .. why didnt he let desmond into the room to see penny .. and why didnt he just get out of the room insted of locking himslef in it! .. idiot! .. i think were seeing the future on the last episode .. cant quite understand why though as we now know they get off the island! .. i wonder how season4 is going to turn out now!! .. im so addicteddd!!
It seems to me its a flash forward. Jack is regretting leaving the island for whatever reason and his desire to get back is so strong he doesnt care about the planes passengers so long as it crashes. The thing is from what perspective is this flash forward. Is it the unalterable future, fate, destiny or whatever, or is it the worst case scenario future, where they all get off the island and are either all really unhappy or perhaps they all start falling ill and dying. Clearly Locke and Ben know its a mistake to get rescued…..or perhaps its who theyve contacted that is the mistake. I think the big question is if this is a future flash, is it set in stone. Will the islanders somehow get a glimpse of a sad future if they leave the island? Can that future be changed? How can they write this into the script and pull it off if it is a future flash. If being rescued brings deep regret and unhappiness are we now going to root for them not to be rescued. Time will tell. Nevertheless its rekindled my interest in the show. I was starting to get a little bored by it.
it must be some sort of flash forward….i dont believe that they already knew each other before…it just doesn’t make sense since they always seemed like strangers and there are many references to them all being a group of strangers when they first land on the island.
In terms of Jacks dad being alive in the future…either a) Jack is drugged up and not thinking straight (and his dad is really dead) or b) his dad is alive (and he was never dead)….that could also be the case …stranger things have happened…look how Locke’s dad just randomly appeared on the island one day….
I just find it really depressing because you think that Jack and Kate might actually end up together at the end of it all…and even if they dont after what they have gone thru together you woudl think that they would at least be life long friends …not someone who comes to see him briefly out of pity one night. While i dont believe that its a flash back at all…i have some evidence that shows its not likely…..In the flash forward when Jack and Kate meet up Jack says that he has been flying a lot and using that ‘golden’ oceanic flying pass. In the first season when they are showing flash backs and they are all the airport going thru check in Jack is really upset and almost can’t get his dads body on the plane…and I am pretty sure he has to buy his ticket (rather than using his ‘golden pass’). For those of you that believe in that they have been on the island before…can you please explain this theory to me more….do you believe that they were all on the island before or just kate and jack?
also someone posted that in the flash forward scence Kate looks the way she did when she was married….so that makes the person believe that its really a flash back…well she doesn’t look the same…when she was married her hair was much shorter …just below her shoulder and she had side swept bangs and her hair was straight…in the scence with her and jack at the docks her hair is LONG and she does not have any bangs..
Jacks beard is clearly gray when he is on the island but in the so called flash forward it is black that is why this is not a flash forward but really a flash back meaning they new each other and where on the island befoer.
No, that’s just bad makeup work. Happens all the time on this show (especially with wigs); you just have to overlook it.